tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post7891053298201447324..comments2023-10-17T05:41:41.681-04:00Comments on Katharine A. Cartwright Studio: Avante-garde, kitsch, and propagandaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11037549177881696434noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-866656917648086702011-10-07T12:00:26.294-04:002011-10-07T12:00:26.294-04:00If it was a choice between making propaganda art, ...If it was a choice between making propaganda art, no art, or being put in a concentration camp or prison one can see what tough choices artists had in history. When the Church controlled what artists could paint, artists painted Biblical paintings. The Museum of Russian Art in Minneapolis has a wonderful collection of propaganda art and it is beautifully done. Aren't we all influenced by something?Joyfulartisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01175430279264778324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-22536399389866513992011-08-30T09:27:35.364-04:002011-08-30T09:27:35.364-04:00This is quite an interesting subject. The whole id...This is quite an interesting subject. The whole idea of kitsch is mind-boggling to me. I think as fine artists, we would have had no option but to follow our hearts. At least, I'd like to believe that...Susan Rouxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01811139850899265798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-29614800386341239992011-08-19T12:36:57.974-04:002011-08-19T12:36:57.974-04:00All good art art is propaganda, even if only for t...All good art art is propaganda, even if only for the empire of the lone artist. Message is message.Mark Sheekyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00710485457283053795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-56228876427102257362011-08-18T16:30:00.291-04:002011-08-18T16:30:00.291-04:00I picked up on Mr. Greenburg's elitism in one ...I picked up on Mr. Greenburg's elitism in one of your earlier posts on this book. Any time a poor person's choice of art is considered less than a rich person's choice I start smelling something a little off-putting.<br /><br />I would have been proud to produce the work that James Montgomery Flagg created during WWI. I know he wasn't forced to create this propaganda art, but he obviously took pride in what he did. And, I'm sure it paid the bills. And, as cool as I think it is, it's probably considered kitsch. Oh well...<br /><br />-Don-Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17549962962379079880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-81569382191444301692011-08-15T21:18:05.012-04:002011-08-15T21:18:05.012-04:00I hate to think that the World War II posters I lo...I hate to think that the World War II posters I love might be kitsch.hw (hallie) farberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11636182620056350811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-12909638016489472162011-08-15T13:56:57.574-04:002011-08-15T13:56:57.574-04:00I do hope when and if the time comes I will have ...I do hope when and if the time comes I will have the strength and gumption to stand by what I value. I hope I (and my wish for all artists) never have to choose between art that I believe in and feeding my family.Meera Raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15578893085543656099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-43709341889049915292011-08-15T10:11:03.130-04:002011-08-15T10:11:03.130-04:00I think Jim means "pre-World War II."
I...I think Jim means "pre-World War II."<br /><br />I took my son to Captain America, which is a great display of propaganda -except I value and love the whole Allies versus the Nazis history. That needs no explanation other than my dad fought in WW2 and I saw where the Nazis burned a church full of townspeople when I went to Italy where Dad served.<br /><br />Anyway, all that to say the end credits are a big screen rendering of major American war posters and it is a fantastic show of illustrative art. <br /><br />A propagandist, to me, is like a pamphleteer. It is a reduced form of art, and fits its own day and not as well the future. I want my fine art to look over the horizon.<br /><br />I agree that CG is becoming dated. He is an elitist - you nailed it, Kathy.Casey Klahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08020906666248399435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-79228655567501306422011-08-15T09:09:15.122-04:002011-08-15T09:09:15.122-04:00Hi Kathy, Greenburg is a very interesting figure i...Hi Kathy, Greenburg is a very interesting figure in art history.<br /><br />And I think looking at the point of time of his writings is the key to reading any of his essays. Art and Culture was published in 1961, and his essay Avant-garde and kitsch was written in 1939 during post World War II concerns. <br /><br />I think what Greenburg considered kitsch seventy years ago has change so much that they have changed places.<br /><br />His kitsch is our avant-garde.jimserrettstudiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604574528873628463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1324184304367023797.post-73488903961117574192011-08-15T08:45:49.732-04:002011-08-15T08:45:49.732-04:00Thanks for the great food for thought, Kathy. I su...Thanks for the great food for thought, Kathy. I suppose it all depends on your perspective. If I knew it was propaganda, I believe that I couldn't do it. My art has to have a sense of purpose and meaningfulness. However, if there was something I believed in very strongly, I would try to persuade others to come to my point of view, even through my art. I would hope that those who produced this kind of work believed it to their very core and didn't feel that they were going against their belief system. Interesting question. In some cases I suppose it might mean that your family would go without food; and, in that case, wouldn't we all do anything to provide for our family?Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05669780634303890205noreply@blogger.com